You will also need the secret weapon for painting without sanding: Zinsser’s BIN Primer. I spray and store cabinet doors horizontally. I don’t believe you can spray BIN shellac through it because of the fire hazard. This was a project I long avoided, but knew it would be a great change! Suitable for use on interior surfaces and spot priming of exterior surfaces. If it is tannin, should I stop now and purchase Zinsser shellac? Stained kitchen cabinets should always be primed before painting, preferably with two coats. It's also not the best option to use on cabinets. In today's video I will be showing you how I painted my MDF panel doors - using my new favourite primer Zinsser B.I.N. You can spray shellac-based primer through either sprayer, but when you're spraying over twenty cabinet doors, an airless sprayer is the best option for speed. I have always had good results with Kilz because it dries fast and sands easily. B-I-N® offers unparalleled adhesion to glossy surfaces - including glass - without the need for scuff … If you change your mind and decide to spray the cabinets, use BIN. Question: I am putting bin shellac and emerald Eurathane trim over my stained cabinets. Graco FFLP (fine finish, low pressure) spray tips. What do you think I should do? 2. Once the work area is clean, arrange the clean, sanded cabinet doors for the first primer coat of paint. Paint alone doesn't bond well to wood cabinets without primer underneath. If you cleaned the sprayer with only water and no ammonia that would cause the primer to solidify and form chunks inside that would definitely cause clogs. Matt is a professional painter and freelance writer, sharing his knowledge, house-painting tips, and product reviews. How long do you let the shellac base primer dry before flipping? Fire damage restoration painters love B-I-N because it seals in the acrid smell of fire, as well as sealing … Help! The primer reaches maximum hardness in seven days. You don't have to sand down to the bare wood. I plan to do it with a roller-brush, and top it with BM Advance. You need to use ammonia, or denatured alcohol to clean your sprayer and completely remove the primer. The cleaning solution you're using might need to be rinsed off more, or use a different one. ft. The other cabinets are painted and plan to repainted them also. Answer: Mix ammonia with a little water and try cycling that through the sprayer to clear any clogs inside. Latex primer and paint alone doesn't seal wood or bond well with it. Answer: Yes, BIN shellac primer is a good product to use on your bathroom cabinets, but it's messy to work with if you're brushing and rolling because it's really thin and splatters easily. The cost is about $42 per gallon at regular price, as of this writing, but you can buy BIN at many paint stores, except Sherwin Williams, using discounted account pricing. Answer: Yes, you can use Emerald urethane over BIN. Shellac-base primer-sealer. Oil primer dries harder than latex and it seals the surface. If you're referring to the Pro Block oil primer, it's too thick for an HVLP without thinning it first. You can also get a fine finish spraying BIN through an airless, using fine finish spray tips. HVLP would be okay though for spraying BIN on the cabinet wall boxes. If you're referring to the best primer option, use oil-based primer, or white shellac primer (BIN). You can buy cheap bottles of ammonia for a couple bucks each. Question: I was told by my local hardware store that I did not need to prime my stained cabinetry. What’s caused the chalking? But I thought the instructions that came In the box said not to use them together?? Would acetone react badly with either of these products? no what they claim dont use a water base primer. I am trying to figure out when I can apply my actual color? Will the shellac-based work as well as the oil-based on my raw wood? Question: What primer to use with maple cabinets? If you don't follow Maks comment about glue, the hagster can point you to the right link regarding how to use exterior brown carpenter's glue to kill knot bleed through. So confused! How much denatured alcohol do you run thru your airless sprayer? An ever-reliable and popular brand, KILZ Adhesion bonds securely to even the most demanding... Zinsser Cover Stain. BIN is a little gritty out of the can sometimes. I prefer shellac primer over oil because it dries faster. With the longer drying time of oil primer, you probably wouldn't even be able to spray the second coat of primer on the same day. Answer: If you're brushing and rolling the cabinets, Cover Stain will be less messy to work with. Question: I have wood cabinets. Matt is a professional painter and freelance writer, sharing his knowledge, house-painting tips, and product reviews. Answer: The white surface residue from Cover Stain primer is normal and easily removed with a tack cloth. Answer: The cabinets are bleeding tannin through the primer because the primer you're using is water-based. Ammonia is cheaper. It is formulated to seal, prime and block out stains on previously painted or new work. Using the Zinsser BIN primer can save you the added step of using the sanding sealer, if you’d prefer to go that route. I have trouble believing this. I used it to prime the old, water damaged cabinets in my pop-camper with great success. How can this be fixed? With this rack, you can spray both sides at once instead of waiting. You can spray this product, or use a roller, but like Cover Stain, the thicker consistency can cause rope texturing when rolling if you apply too much. Opening windows dries the primer fast. Allow to dry for 24 hours @ 20°C. The paint is too soft. The BIN primer will probably help with the fisheye, but it's best to find the cause of the fisheye. These are the most versatile primers on the market, but with increased versatility comes lower performance in specific areas. Do you use the same spray equipment after spraying BIN Shallac Primer, and then spay lets say a Latex paint? The smell is probably the worst of any oil-based product I've used, but it bonds really well with wood and paint for a uniform finish. It dries fast, 1 hour being the longest, which allows light sanding and second coating on the same day. No top coat. Oil primer dries harder and sands nicely too. Would it be okay to wipe down the cabinets with acetone now as I'm worried there could be some traces of tsp still on the cabinet as it's difficult to see if I got it all off the first time. I am looking for something that is not too thick and dries fast. Sand the second coat and remove the dust again. It's sold in most major home improvement stores. Matt G. (author) from United States on July 01, 2020: You could do that, but the primer is really meant to be top coated with paint. Zinsser is a brand that is a part of the Rust-Oleum family of paints and primers. 3 years ago I painted them using a Java Gel Stain. I spray the doors in a homemade spray booth, using the Zipwall dust barrier system to control over-spray. The primer is already very thin, similar to the consistency of milk. Sprayed Stix primer, ( 4hrs dry time) abraded 220, vacuumed, tac clothed, sprayed BM impervo oil satin, (16 hrs dry time) abraded, vacuumed, re tacked clothed, spray final coat. Bin Primer Sealer Looking for a "silver bullet" primer that covers everything unwanted? This particular product is one of the oldest and most trusted shellac-based primers and sealers on the market.Shellac-based primer can be thought of as heavy-duty stuff. When you sand, use a 220-grit sanding sponge (3M brand work great). The dust has to be completely removed from the corners and you have to spray a nice solid coating. Once completely dry, it sands easily for an excellent bond with paint. Even painted cabinets should be primed, unless they were primed before, and the paint is in good condition with no visible tannin bleed. Cabinets also need to be sanded and cleaned to remove surface contamination. Hopped online and started reading. But if you plan to brush and roll, this product won't splatter as much as shellac. When spraying outdoors, spray the doors inside a spray shelter before carrying them over to an enclosed drying rack. Zinsser 1 qt. Milk paint alone doesn't have any sealing properties. I did not think that a primer would be needed because of the existing laquer finish. Bookshelves are tricky to spray. As far as durability, it doesn't matter if the outside part of the frames is painted and the inside is not. This onlyOccurs while using the BIN shellac primer. Shellac-based primer dries hard, similar to oil primer, but without the extended dry time associated with oil-based coatings. And if you prefer one primer in the can over the other? Seals surfaces to provide a smooth base for the finish coat. What I do is I spray one coat of BIN first, so I can see the remaining cracks easier, then I fill those cracks with grain filler, sand, and I spray a 2nd coat of primer. Primer and paint bond stonger to surfaces that have been sanded and cleaned. If you're spraying shellac-based primer you can clean the sprayer with ammonia or denatured alcohol. You'll also need to remove the spray gun filter for cleaning too, using ammonia. This product is an excellent sealer that bonds well with wood. For primer application I found using spray can formulation of the Zinsser BIN primer to provided easier application and better results compared to brush application. The cracks in the wood pores though will be gone doing it this way. Is this true or should oil be used and what do you recommend? Ask if they have a Graco 395 for rent. This formula is bright white, a color that plays an essential role in bringing out the shade of the topcoat. So, I just throw the brush away when I’m done. using a China bristle is recommended but i would go with a good purdy nylon polyester brush.it leaves fewer brush marks..ps. They were nasty, you just couldn’t tell. Cover Stain does sand easier, but both will give you a smooth finish after sanding, but BIN levels out a lot better and you can recoat in 45 minutes. It requires mineral spirits to clean up, so be sure to keep some on hand for any potential spills or drips. It dries very hard and seals surfaces exceptionally well. Question: Can you paint over the Zinsser BIN Shellac primer with Sherwin Williams Emerald Urethane enamel paint? I have sprayed two coats on everything. Would I do better switching to the shellac-based? A few dings/gouges have appeared in the soft wood so I've filled them with either painter's putty or Bondo Glazing Putty, depending on the area. Question: I'm planning to spray some new oak cabinets for a friend using a HVLP spray system. The guy at the store is wrong. My thought was I really don’t have a lot to prime so I was thinking of spray cans. Offers excellent adhesion to glossy surfaces, including glass. Question: What about paint? This also prevents having to use a grain filler on the entire surface of the doors. Also, make sure you clean the cabinets and sand. Said it's horrible to work with and I won't be able to stand to stay in the house for 3 weeks because of the smell. I use Zinsser BIN shellac primer on all my cabinets now. I am a pro painter and I’m considering using the BIN schellac. There's probably an obstruction from the primer stuck inside that's restricting flow. She does not want to use oil based primer. As the original pigmented, shellac-based, stain-killing primer-sealer, nothing is better at permanently blocking stains, odours and wood knots. Prime with oil-based primer, or white shellac primer. Answer: No, BIN does not require any thinning. this primer has more body and holds paint better . It sprays really nice into a smooth finish. I use a cheap, throw away brush for this step, because primer is oil-based. Looking for a “silver bullet” primer that covers everything unwanted? Answer: The best primer to use is oil-based primer, or shellac-based primer. Question: I'm painting Oak kitchen cabinets with a clear finish that don't have huge open grain issues. Any thoughts? You could test a couple doors first before spraying all of them, or you could rent a professional airless sprayer to spray the BIN. Use 220 to sand the primer and 320 if you sand between paint coats. With more even coverage? Zinsser B-I-N Primer Sealer – Great Interior Primer Both for Bare and Painted Wood. I am painting my oak kitchen cabinets. Question: My home is 5 years old and the builder installed cabinets that were painted with an oil-based enamel but painted on-site (not baked). I am well into painting my cabinets. Latex primers have come a long way in the last 30 years and they are good for a variety of applications. Answer: Let the primer dry overnight before sanding and painting. Hi Matt, I used a hand held sprayer to apply the primer to some bookshelves. Pro Block is sold exclusively at Sherwin Williams stores. I would remove the latex paint, sand, prime, and then paint. You need the blue RAC X tip guard to use the green tips. Wrong! Stair Risers: Paint Over Stain. I sand to remove the gloss. Answer: No, the store is wrong. Is it necessary to apply two primer coats. Answer: Yes, the surface still needs to be sanded, cleaned and primed. Is this normal or is this tannin? InslX "stix" primer is a urethane acrylic which has amazing adhesion qualities. With an airless sprayer, you can siphon the primer directly out of a 5-gallon bucket, or the can, but with an HVLP, you are limited to a small cup that needs refilling for extended use. When it dried it is very rough. I've used spray can BIN to spot prime without issues, but not for spraying entire doors. bin spray or bin is not the best choice for priming cabinets.inmo would go with zinsser cover stain oil. using a China bristle is recommended but i would go with a good purdy nylon polyester brush.it leaves fewer brush marks..ps. I have moved the doors and drawers to the garage to see if the heat will cure them better. Your paint finish will be super smooth with the right prep and spray technique with the primer and paint, but if there's rough spots in the paint, sand them out with a 320-grit sponge and spray again. With an HVLP,.you'd have to constantly refill the cup, but with an airless, you can work directly out of the can and spray all of the doors in one session without having to stop to refill. If you sand it 2 hours after priming it will be gummy and harder to sand. Answer: You can add a mildewcide additive to the primer if you're concerned about mold developing. Im using cover Stain Primer Zinsser on bathroom cabinets, i sanded/cleaned them well, im spraying it with my wagner 3000. If you primed with BIN, or oil primer, which is good, the rough texture is probably from sanding dust on the surface, or you sprayed too light and the overspray itself misted onto the surface creating the texture. I am on my second coat of primer and the primer is not drying white but tan. Most can be used inside or outside, but check the label before you buy to make sure it is compatible for your planned use. Ideally, you should use a primer on your cabinets to further prepare them. What would be the steps as i want to to repaint them with an oil paint by Behr. Can I use graco airless sprayer to spray Bin Shellac with smallest tip 218. If you're working with an oily wood like oak, I would use an oil-based primer. It wouldn't require as much, if any, refilling of the cup, like it would if you were to use it to spray over twenty cabinet doors. Hi. I was wondering if I can get a good spray finish from the can? Answer: No, I've never sprayed lacquer over BIN, only paint. Matt G. (author) from United States on August 16, 2020: You didn't mention the type of primer you used, but latex will raise the wood grain and give it a rough finish. Product Overview Zinsser B-I-N 1 qt. Check your filter too if your sprayer has one. Zinnser says--no way is BIN to be used as a large scale, full primer. If you sand it too soon it gums up and it's harder to sand. Cover Stain sands nicely once it's had time to fully dry. As I'm putting on my first coat of paint and noticing the yellow coming through. However, paint still came off with medium pressure scratching. I need to touch up the paint now. Water based primer is the most pleasant to use and the easiest to clean up. You have to be careful not to spray heavy on the door edges, or the primer will drip. Answer: Spraying in general is preferable to brushing cabinets, but based on my experience with spray cans of primer, they don't always perform the same exact way as primer from a gallon can. Cherry bleeds red oil like crazy, so if you don't prime the cabinets correctly, you'll see red streaks everywhere through the milk paint. Kills stains. So as I understand it, using a shellac primer on lacquered cabinets is the way to go? I would sand the shelves with a 220-grit sanding sponge and carefully clean the dust with a tack cloth and shop vac. Don't reuse the flushed out ammonia water. Hi Matt I used shallac primer on a mahogany Vanity it covered nicely is it possible to distress it and use a water base clear as a finish coat thanks Dave. It is perfect for use on inte ..MORE rior surfaces and spot priming of exterior surfaces. It blocks the tannins in wood really really well. Question: I was raised on BIN, it was always the go-to primer. System 2 Primer: Apply 1 coat of Rust-Oleum 3333 Super Adhesion Primer diluted with 20% clean, cold water @ 25-30m² per litre by brush, roller or air-atomised spray. This is what I used on the oak sections of my kitchen cabinets. prepped your cabinets for primer and paint. Just enough to take off the gloss. I know I need to sand and fill the wood grain but what would be the order of all that? Question: Refinishing my kitchen cabinets w/ Rustoleum Cabinet Transformation. Question: I am getting ready to paint my ugly orange looking stained cabinets. Spraying the oak cabinet doors on a flat surface, using a 310, or a 312 tip, you can build up the primer pretty good to fill a good amount of the grain holes, but some deeper cracks will remain. When you spray BIN always strain the primer first and clean the sprayer carefully with ammonia water mix. Don't apply BIN over the 123. Some good varieties are Zinsser BIN Shellac-Based Primer, Sherwin-Williams White Pigmented Shellac Primer I was thinking about doing it with the bin primer in a spray can or the Sherwin Williams shellac primer in a spray can. Any advice? Question: I am only painting my cabinet fronts as I am ordering new doors. In other words, it's for spot priming only. Cover Stain sands nicely when you leave it alone for a day and let it harden up a little. I have done some cabinet refinishing and occasionally have trouble with fisheye after thoroughly cleaning and sanding. Plus, it can be sanded and levels well, ensuring a smooth finish and helping to mask minor imperfections. I have heard that it has some bleed through problems on doors(not boxes) and wondered if others have had this issue. Question: Do I need to somehow remove a combination primer/paint before applying the appropriate oil-based primer to "wood" in my RV, or can I paint over the existing product (Beyond Paint) with the correct primer? The milk-thin consistency of BIN makes it splatter easily when brushing and rolling, but for spraying, it's awesome. Trust me. You only have to use it between prime coats where needed. It also stops bleeding knots and sap streaks. I soak them in ammonia water overnight and they're clean in the morning. I am devastated as I have put so many hours into this project. The rack system I bought paid for itself the first cabinet project I used it on. Matt G. 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